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Group ni9ht final presentation (italian version, i'll upload the english one by request), enjoy
GROUP'S 6 WORK
Group ni9ht final presentation (italian version, i'll upload the english one by request), enjoy
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Repubblica — 18 maggio 2008 pagina 4 sezione: CRONACA
Interview: Samir, vice-responsable of the Mosque of Marghera
A mosque in Venice is something quite hard, but not impossible and surely money is not a problem. In Venice, there are churches and synagogues, Venice is a well-known and multiethnic city and Muslims have always been part of this place. We don’t expect a mosque in the heart of Venice, it would be such a dream: it would be enough to have something in the land. Maybe this could be a new challange for the tourism too. Muslims haven’t problems in living all together with Venetian community Most of the brothers praying in the mosque are actually living and working in Venice and Venetians always keep in touch with Muslims too. Maybe there could be opposition at the beginning but then, there shouldn’t be any problems. A mosque near a church is still not a problem: I come from Turkey where churches, synagogues and mosques both do exists close to each others. Here in Padova, there’s a mosque near a church: at first some problems occurred, altrough, now everybody feels like brothers. Trends say that, during the meeting with the Authority, Muslims in Veneto were about 10.000 and there’s lack of spaces. There’s no critical need but, in my opinion, Venice merits a mosque.
About Ponzano
I prayed there four or five times in a basement under the church. I’ve heard on TV that the chief-priest of Treviso forced the priest to deny the permission of using the space. That’s really absurd: for me, praying with Christians isn’t absolutely a matter and if there’s the chance to give spaces, it’s illogical not to allow them to pray once a week, it’s a shame. Then there’s no reason to behave like that and I’m sure the chief-priest knew this fact for many months. Journals say that it’s all fault of the authorities that persuaded the chief-priest to bid these things to the priest. I heard that journals like Al Jazira where interested in this news. Strange but true: authorities suddenly offered a big space to pray to make a good impression to Al Jazeira. Luckily televisions didn’t come in the end. Later they decided to give the Muslim with a different place in different towns near Treviso each Friday: this made impossible to know previously where the pray was supposed to be celebrated. In fact that system worked just for four or five times. One of my brothers told me that some other Muslims went to pray in a public square in and police forced them to go away and to pay a penalty.
Bad impressions...
I don’t see scared faces but a lot of diffidence and bad information: looking at the journals it seemed like it should happen something upsetting. In the reality nothing happened. We live and work with Italians and nobody has problems. An Imam from Asterdam was upset because the mayor didn’t send anyone to keep clean the mosque. Amsterdam, Rotterdam, London, Berlin and even Paris are spread-minded city and they actually host mosques. People that release this kind of false news have not to be considered because are propagandists or just ignorants.
In many Western cities, plans to erect mosques often stir more passion than any other local issue—and politicians are leaping into the fray
03. INTERVIEW TO LEFT HEADQUARTERS “TUTTINPIEDI” ABOUT A NEW MOSQUE BUILDING IN VENICE
2-is it possible to build a mosque in Venice?
3-where do you build it?
4-how will community react?
It depends how you propose the build. We live in a xenophobic world. It’s really important that the new building won’t become a motif of politic conflict from right side(as it happens for Sinti village).
How do population accept them?
Don’t you think a new Mosque can be a symbol of religious and social integration?
5-who will pay this mosque?
Certainly not the municipality. we think every religious building must be financed by private and not public. We think the autocreation of a mosque is the best direction.
8. THREE URBANISTS for a TRIPLE INTERVIEW
Yesterday we interviwed three Urbanists about the proposal to build a Mosque in Venice and surrounding. We tried to undestand the main differences between their points of views in order to underline how some "specialists" can differently interpretate this topic.
Ieri abbiamo intervistato tre Urbanisti riguardo alla proposta di costruire una Moschea a Venezia e dintorni. Abbiamo cercato di capire quali fossero le differenze principali del loro pensiero per sottolineare come la questione possa essere intesa diversamente da degli "specialisti".
The three interviews were based on 8 Questions:
Le tre interviste sono state basate su 8 Domande:
1- Which are the caracteristics of Islam’s culture that have influenced the urban Venice development?
1- Quali sono le caratteristiche della cultura islamica che hanno influenzato lo sviluppo della città di Venezia?
2- What sort of effect could the build of new Mosque cause in Venice?
(urban, social, economic and turistic aspects)
2- Quali effetti potrebbe avere sulla città di Venezia la costruzione di una Moschea?
3- Could the built of a new Mosque cause the creation of a new “ghetto”?
3- La costruzione della Moschea potrebbe portare alla creazione di un nuovo “ghetto”?
4- Wich are the rules to chose the area of building?
4- Quali sono i criteri sui quali basarsi per collocare la Moschea?
5- Have you read/heard about that church in Ponzano which changes into a mosque each Friday now ? What’s your personal feeling/impression about that ?
5- Ha sentito parlare della chiesa di Ponzano che diventa una Moschea ogni venerdì?
6- What do you think about the possibility to build a temporary structure for the new Mosque?
6- Cosa pensa riguardo alla possibilità di realizzare delle strutture temporanee da adibire a Moschea?
7-How do you see Venice reacting to upcoming massive Muslims immigrants wavesprevisions from Asia and Africa to Europe ?
7- Come pensa che reagirà Venezia all’aumento di flussi migratori di islamici dall’Africa all’Asia?
8- Do you think Venice present the need to build a Mosque? Would you support the provision of a mosque in Venice ?
8- Secondo lei si presenta la necessità di costruire una Moschea a Venezia?
The three Urbanists interviewed are:
_MARIA CHIARA TOSI
She was supervisor for the Department of Architectural Monuments and Urban Development in Veneto and Venice. She actually is an urbanist teacher at the IUAV, but she had also worked in Paris, Berkeley and in other italian university. She had realized several masterplans and she is actually working for complete the Ferrara’s masterplan.
She agree about the proposal to built a Mosque in Venice because she consider the topic not only as a “religious need” but she think to the subject in term of “association space”, as an opportunity to satisfy an other requirement feel from a part of population.
She say we should consider the Mosque as a “multifunctional center”, a build that could transform itself sometimes in a Church, other times in a Gym or, why not, also in a park for children. She imagines a space with no boundaries, open to all the possibility of transformation in order to suggest the idea of cultural integration.
She considers Venice a good place to welcome a Mosque because is a city historically and morphologically influenced by other cultures, people and styles.
E’ daccordo con la proposta di costruire una Moschea a Venezia perchè non considera la questione solo come una necessità di tipo religioso, ma pensa all’argomento in termini di “spazio d’associazione”, come l’opportunità di soddisfare un’altra esigenza sentita da una certa parte della popolazione.
Sostiene che dovremmo considerare la Moschea come un “centro multifunzionale”, un edificio che può trasformarsi in una Chiesa, a volte in una palestra o, perché no, anche in uno spazio-gioco.
Immagina una spazio senza vincoli, aperto a tutte le possibilità di trasformazione in modo da suggerire l’idea di integrazione culturale.
Considera Venezia un luogo adatto ad accogliere una Moschea in quanto città storicamente e morfologicamente influenzata da altre culture, popoli e stili.
_LEONARDO CIACCI
He is an urbanist and also an urbanistic teacher at the IUAV. He is expert about urbanistic’s theories and history, and he is particularly interested about intercultural communication in urbanism and geographical development.
He agree and disagree with the possibility to build the Mosque in Venice: he thinks the city don’t need it because islams are not a large part of population but, at the same time, could be realize to satisfy the deside of some people to have a religious building for preyer. For this reason he proposes to cheanges into a Mosque a pre-existente building, although Venice doesn’t offer the best urban condition to confront muslims pilgrimage in some particular religious period.
Moreover, he suggests the possibility to build it in other part of the hinterland in order to be reach by more people than in Venice.
He also speaks about the Mosque’s dimension: we haven’t necessary to think at an huge bulding with a symbolic function because the Mosque could be little and useful to carry out religious function.
He believe that islam culture had influenced the urban Venice development under two main aspects: sensuality and softness. We can recognized its typical signs walking on the roads or watching the building’s facades, in the verticalism of forms, in the floreal decorations. Venice is also a city that presents many form of “pilgrimage”: waves of turists every day cover the same routes having the same destination. Venice’s urbanistic is perfect to suggest the ideas of a “journey” and also offers several location to build a Mosque. He suggests the idea of a “floating Mosque” as a mobile building directly in contact with water that could arrive in many location (if Mohammed couldn’t go to the mountain, the mountain go to Mohammed). Also he propose Marghera in order to improve the degrading situation of this industrial area and to mark the Mosque’ symbolic role. In the end, he speaks about the sense of “democracy” that caracterized Venice.
'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Leonardo Ciacci gave us this interesting articol and we think it could be usefull for all the groupes...
"The novelist Ian McEwan has launched an astonishingly strong attack on Islamism, saying that he "despises" it and accusing it of "wanting to create a society that I detest". His words, in an interview with an Italian newspaper, could, in today's febrile legalistic climate, lay him open to being investigated for a "hate crime".
In an interview with Guido Santevecchi, a London correspondent for Corriere della Sera, the Booker-winning novelist said he rarely grants interviews on controversial issues "because I have to be careful to protect my privacy". But he said that he was glad to leap to the defence of his old friend Martin Amis when the latter's attacks on Muslims brought down charges of racism on his head. He made an exception of the Islamic issue out of friendship to Amis, and because he shares the latter's strong opinions.
"A dear friend had been called a racist," he said. "As soon as a writer expresses an opinion against Islamism, immediately someone on the left leaps to his feet and claims that because the majority of Muslims are dark-skinned, he who criticises it is racist.
"This is logically absurd and morally unacceptable. Martin is not a racist. And I myself despise Islamism, because it wants to create a society that I detest, based on religious belief, on a text, on lack of freedom for women, intolerance towards homosexuality and so on – we know it well."
McEwan – author of On Chesil Beach and the acclaimed Atonement and Enduring Love – has spoken on the issue of Islamism before, telling The New York Times last December: "All religions make very big claims about the world, and it should be possible in an open society to dispute them. It should be possible to say, 'I find some ideas in Islam questionable' without being called a racist."
But his words in the Corriere interview are far stronger, although they do fall short of the invective deployed by Martin Amis. He has said "the Muslim community will have to suffer until it gets its house in order", and told The Independent's columnist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, a Muslim, in an open letter: "Islamism, in most of its manifestations, not only wants to kill me – it wants to kill you."
McEwan's interviewer pointed out that there exist equally hard-line schools of thought within Christianity, for example in the United States. "I find them equally absurd," McEwan replied. "I don't like these medieval visions of the world according to which God is coming to save the faithful and to damn the others. But those American Christians don't want to kill anyone in my city, that's the difference."
But McEwan's specific irritation is reserved for those who find ideological grounds to condemn his and Amis's views. "When you ask a novelist or a poet about his vision regarding an aspect of the world, you don't get the response of a politician or a sociologist, but even if you don't like what he says you have to accept it, you can't react with defamation. Martin is not a racist, and neither am I."
Elsewhere in the interview McEwan serenely predicted the Balkanisation of the United Kingdom. "Great Britain is an artificial construction of three or four nations. I'm waiting for the Northern Irish to unite with the Irish Republic sooner or later, and also Scotland could go its own way and become independent."
Does the prospect disturb him? "No," he replied, "I think that at this point we should start to reflect on Englishness: this is the country of Shakespeare, of Milton, Newton, Darwin..."
10. Interview to a PHILOSOPHER
Luigi Perissinotto Professore Ordinario di Filosofia del linguaggio università Ca' Foscari, VeneziaLuigi Perissinotto si è laureato in Filosofia all'Università Ca' Foscari di Venezia.
Successivamente ha conseguito il titolo di Dottore di Ricerca in Filosofia. Dal 1992 al 2002 è stato prima ricercatore di Filosofia Teoretica e poi professore associato sempre nel settore scientifico-disciplinare di Filosofia teoretica presso il Dipartimento di Filosofia e Teoria delle Scienze dell'Università Ca' Foscari di Venezia. Attualmente è professore ordinario di Filosofia del Linguaggio. Dall'anno accademico 1996/97 al 1999/2000 ha tenuto per affidamento l'insegnamento di Filosofia del Linguaggio. Attualmente insegna Filosofia del Linguaggio e Filosofia della comunicazione 2. E' membro della Società Filosofica Italiana, della Società Italiana di Filosofia Analitica e della Wittgenstein-Gesellschaft (Austria). E' redattore della rivista "Filosofia e Teologia" e direttore del Master di II livello in Consulenza filosofica. La sua attività di ricerca si è concentrata su due temi fondamentali, i quali hanno come punto di riferimento comune la questione filosofica del linguaggio e il problema del nesso linguaggio-interpretazione: (a) la filosofia di Ludwig Wittgenstein, nelle sue diverse articolazioni e nella complessità delle relazioni che essa intrattiene con la filosofia contemporanea; (b) i differenti modi in cui nella filosofia contemporanea - sia nel suo versante analitico che nella prospettiva heideggeriana e, più latamente, ermeneutica - sono stati affrontati i problemi del significato, del linguaggio, della verità.
1- Is religion a need?
Religion is a very common condition. Religion answers to many needs beyond religion itself (guarantee, salvation …). I find it hard to say religion is a need in human soul
2- Why does religion need permanent spaces and visibility?
Historically religion is not an individual issue. Religion is a way to build a community. Rite means making someting together. Public dimension and representation become fundamental
3- How much religion is part of culture and viceversa?
Sometimes mosques rifer to older building types (Hagia Sophia). Culture in its antropological meaning is the way people stay together. Religion is part of culture. Culture in more specific meaning can be the way people express themselves through symbols.Religion is influenced by older and contemporary cultures. Culture and religion are based on something, which is what is given. The relationship between philosophy and theology is very close
4- Would a mosque in Venice be a goal or a defeat?•
Defeat for who? Denying a place of worship means denying religion. A mosque is a chance for cultural developenent and for enrichment. I would be very glad if there were a mosque
5- Which factors in a mosque could disturb public opinion?
Fear of something we do not recognized as ours. Powerful symbols scares who has not got strong symbols anymore. Their unconscious does not trust the strength of their symbols. They build social barrears. I do not mind walking in front of a church or of a sinagogue. Why should it be different in front of a mosque ? If they do not have a place of worship, exclusion will produce underground movements. When you feel excluded, sooner or later you can exclude
6-Which political consequences can a mosque have?
Poverty of political debate in Italy about these subjects, which are used just for a political purpose. Diversity should get people richer, but it is used as a mean instrument in order to increase political power.
A Catholic Church Turns Into A Mosque
By Fr. Chetan, Capuchin, Rome
November 11, 2007Believe it or not! A parish Church turns into a mosque every Friday, for the Muslims brothers and to offer their customary prayers. This isn’t a sequence from any Bollywood film, but a reality in the parish of Our Lady of Assumption of Ponzano near Venice, the romantic city of Italy. The pastor of the parish, Don Aldo Danieli, 69, affirms, “It’s useless to speak of religious dialogue and then bang the door on their face. Pope John Paul II addressed them as, ‘dear Muslim brothers’. How can we close our church doors to them?”
At Ponzano, in the province of Treviso, live some 11,500 people of whom 232 families are immigrants, making their number roughly 650. These are mainly immigrants from North African countries and Eastern Europe. Two years ago, Don Aldo decided to open the doors of the church to these Muslim immigrants and keep a portion of his own parochial house including a kitchen and a little at their disposal. On Fridays an average of 200 Muslim believers gather in the church and offer prayers. But in the month of Ramadan, the number swells to 1000-1200. “They requested me and I said yes, moreover, the kitchen and hall were a home for spiders”.
The decision of Don Aldo has disturbed the peace of mind of more than a few parishioners. The protests of even the local bishop and priests have reached his ears. “I haven’t asked the express permission of the bishop, because it’s an act of charity. No permission is needed to do charity. For the rest, I am older than the bishop and been his professor in the seminary too. Even if had prohibited me, I wouldn’t be obliged to obey him,” Don Aldo is firm in his resolve. He does not hesitate to proclaim, “Better praying Muslims than non praying Christians. If you brand me a racist, you are wrong”. In the last two years a Don Aldo has received a number of emails and letters advising him to “remain with his own flock”. The letters cautioned him, “These people come as immigrants and then claim the place for themselves and throw us out”. Don Aldo has taken into confidence the Parish Pastoral Council and is unrelenting. “The pope has exhorted to open wide the doors to Christ: Christ lives in Muslims too.”
Meanwhile, there have been protests from public spheres too. “I urge the bishop to clarify the position of the Church in this regard”, demands Luca Zaia, the vice president of the Federation of a few right wing politicians, “so that this does not set a precedence for such efforts in the history of Venice”. “Moreover, in this initiative, there isn’t a grain of reciprocity. In some of the Muslim countries, they won’t give an inch to us to offer our prayers. These “feel-good” gestures would lead us nowhere. Integration must begin from their part. The immigrants must learn to insert themselves into mainstream, our culture, traditions and identity. The immigrants must know that before demanding their rights, they must adhere to their duties.” Luca justifies.
Don Aldo runs an Arab School in the church premises, for the education of immigrant Muslim children.
As the case of Don Aldo is being discussed and debated, in Padova, the city of St. Anthony, the members of the federation of the right wing politicians, have paraded a pig in the location where the municipality of Padova had decided to transfer the existing mosque from Anelli Street. The leader of the confederation, Mariella Mazzetto said:” We have blessed’ the place by parading a pig, before the municipality could transfer the mosque to the place.” “This is a question of Italian identity. We demand a referendum be done by the municipality before they venture into such stupidities”.
The mayor of Padova, Flavio Zanonato, condemning the act, said: “The majority of the dwellers of Padova are ashamed of this. This isn’t the culture of Padova. In this city live more than 7,000 Muslim immigrants. While we are discovering ways and means to live a well integrated life, this type of acts sends out a wrong message to them”.
In the changed circumstances of globalization, Italy is slowly getting used to immigrants of religions and cultures other than Christian. Cases like Don Aldo’s, give rise to regional and national debates on integration and immigration, which are so important to a country in which the Heart of Christianity is situated!!